Here's Eric Massa at an event in the 12 Corners area of Brighton, a little over an hour ago, courtesy of Michael Parks. There's another one after the break.
You are looking at a picture of a guy who if he wins will need to start distancing himself from Obama on day 1.
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:05 — Rottenchester
I don't know why you think that.
Obama's first months are going to be all about the credit and bank crisis (where Massa may or may not agree), tax reform (where Massa agrees with him) and health care (where Massa actually wants a more radical plan that Obama). If Obama plays it smart, and I think you'll agree that he has so far even though you disagree with his policies, he will start with plans that can achieve a broad consensus. I bet the first few Obama initiatives pass the Senate and House with huge majorities, comprised of Democrats and the few somewhat-moderate Republicans who are left.
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:44 — ElmerJK (not verified)
I am thinking of Bill Clinton who moved very slowly to the left, but only took two years to lose both houses to the Republicans who hadn't had both houses together in over 40 years.
I think Obama will lurch far left within his first year and the backlash will come as early as 2010 but for sure by 2012.
Clinton got in trouble because of legislative failure -- the health care reform disaster. One could actually argue that, since universal health care might be thought of as on the "left" (though a lot of conservatives around here seem to support it), Clinton didn't move far enough to the left.
But I think the reality is that Clinton's first two years were not successful and that's what voters were punishing in 1994.
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 14:08 — Rottenchester
I pretty much agree with Exile.
Let's look at personalities for a minute, and forget whether a given policy is right or left. Clinton's personality is dramatic, he's full of hubris, and his health-care screwup is a study in how that kind of personality can't work well with others.
Obama may be a "liberal", but he's personally the most conservative politician I've seen in a long time. He doesn't take chances, he seeks consensus, he runs his campaign with zero drama. He does not lurch.
I'm not saying he's Obama Christ Superstar, but he is as level-headed a person as I've seen run for public office in a long time. If he has a weak spot, its that he's too cautious before he does something.
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 17:18 — ElmerJK (not verified)
Then I don't understand why George W took six years to lose his congress. He was arrogant and inflexible - I still think the country leans a bit to the right and that is why Clinton took only two years to do what took Bush six.
I've never understood that Bush phenomenon. I went from being the most anti-Bush person I know to the least in about two years. I used to have convince people that he was the worst prez since Hoover, now I have to convince people it's unfair to compare him to Sarah Palin. The country turned on him live I've never seen before.
Tue, 11/04/2008 - 11:12 — Rich (not verified)
He was on Main Street, Penn Yan at 9:45. He's really on the move today.
Most voters do not realize that Dems are actually responsible for Sub-Prime Mtg Crises. Obama once sued CitiGroup for not giving enough home loans to African Americans. Please understand CRA before you get offended or try to comment in a conspirous manner. The more loans at sub-prime he fought for, the more money wen't to James Johnson (former CEO Fannie-Mae / then Leaman Saks) and Franklin Raines. Thus More campaign contributions back to Barack. Barney Frank, John Kerry, Wicked witch Pelosi take no responsibility. You can find videos on youtube of them denying a republican interest in fixing this problem in 2001 - 2004. They said it wasn't broke and to stop wasting our time. AMERICA please please please; You should've looked harder for truth, rather than beleiving in mainstream media hypocrats and Eric Massa. Randy Kuhl, thank you for all you did for the southern tier. New highways, increased commerce, new jobs. Eric Massa is a stuffed suit, and I'm sure we won't see much. We have failed as a DISTRICT(Massa in the lead), as a STATE (Elliot-raw dog-Spitzer) to Patterson ( oh my ), as a NATION (Obama) He Sued Citi Group. James Johnson was his First VP Pick. He lives in the Penthouse at the Ritz-Carrlton in DC. Why Fight to get more dollars to Fannie and Freddie. Look up their list of favorite politicians and their past contributions. It is public knowledge. but the Public lacks Knowlege.
PS. Chicago has the poorest rated schools in the country...hmmm
Wed, 11/05/2008 - 13:40 — Rottenchester
I'm guessing that a few perhaps more fair-minded folks will give Massa and Obama at least a couple of days before declaring them failures.
Also, you're way, way off on the causes of the mortgage crisis. It's definitely a bi-partisan problem, but loans to minorities is the least of the problem.
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You are looking at a picture of a guy who if he wins will need to start distancing himself from Obama on day 1.
I don't know why you think that.
Obama's first months are going to be all about the credit and bank crisis (where Massa may or may not agree), tax reform (where Massa agrees with him) and health care (where Massa actually wants a more radical plan that Obama). If Obama plays it smart, and I think you'll agree that he has so far even though you disagree with his policies, he will start with plans that can achieve a broad consensus. I bet the first few Obama initiatives pass the Senate and House with huge majorities, comprised of Democrats and the few somewhat-moderate Republicans who are left.
I am thinking of Bill Clinton who moved very slowly to the left, but only took two years to lose both houses to the Republicans who hadn't had both houses together in over 40 years.
I think Obama will lurch far left within his first year and the backlash will come as early as 2010 but for sure by 2012.
Clinton got in trouble because of legislative failure -- the health care reform disaster. One could actually argue that, since universal health care might be thought of as on the "left" (though a lot of conservatives around here seem to support it), Clinton didn't move far enough to the left.
But I think the reality is that Clinton's first two years were not successful and that's what voters were punishing in 1994.
I pretty much agree with Exile.
Let's look at personalities for a minute, and forget whether a given policy is right or left. Clinton's personality is dramatic, he's full of hubris, and his health-care screwup is a study in how that kind of personality can't work well with others.
Obama may be a "liberal", but he's personally the most conservative politician I've seen in a long time. He doesn't take chances, he seeks consensus, he runs his campaign with zero drama. He does not lurch.
I'm not saying he's Obama Christ Superstar, but he is as level-headed a person as I've seen run for public office in a long time. If he has a weak spot, its that he's too cautious before he does something.
Then I don't understand why George W took six years to lose his congress. He was arrogant and inflexible - I still think the country leans a bit to the right and that is why Clinton took only two years to do what took Bush six.
It will be interesting to see what happens
I've never understood that Bush phenomenon. I went from being the most anti-Bush person I know to the least in about two years. I used to have convince people that he was the worst prez since Hoover, now I have to convince people it's unfair to compare him to Sarah Palin. The country turned on him live I've never seen before.
He was on Main Street, Penn Yan at 9:45. He's really on the move today.
Most voters do not realize that Dems are actually responsible for Sub-Prime Mtg Crises. Obama once sued CitiGroup for not giving enough home loans to African Americans. Please understand CRA before you get offended or try to comment in a conspirous manner. The more loans at sub-prime he fought for, the more money wen't to James Johnson (former CEO Fannie-Mae / then Leaman Saks) and Franklin Raines. Thus More campaign contributions back to Barack. Barney Frank, John Kerry, Wicked witch Pelosi take no responsibility. You can find videos on youtube of them denying a republican interest in fixing this problem in 2001 - 2004. They said it wasn't broke and to stop wasting our time. AMERICA please please please; You should've looked harder for truth, rather than beleiving in mainstream media hypocrats and Eric Massa. Randy Kuhl, thank you for all you did for the southern tier. New highways, increased commerce, new jobs. Eric Massa is a stuffed suit, and I'm sure we won't see much. We have failed as a DISTRICT(Massa in the lead), as a STATE (Elliot-raw dog-Spitzer) to Patterson ( oh my ), as a NATION (Obama) He Sued Citi Group. James Johnson was his First VP Pick. He lives in the Penthouse at the Ritz-Carrlton in DC. Why Fight to get more dollars to Fannie and Freddie. Look up their list of favorite politicians and their past contributions. It is public knowledge. but the Public lacks Knowlege.
PS. Chicago has the poorest rated schools in the country...hmmm
I'm guessing that a few perhaps more fair-minded folks will give Massa and Obama at least a couple of days before declaring them failures.
Also, you're way, way off on the causes of the mortgage crisis. It's definitely a bi-partisan problem, but loans to minorities is the least of the problem.